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Against ANIMAL TESTING

8 years ago
Not specifically answering your question Sleuth but here in Oz there is political pressure to ban animal testing on cosmetics, and the importation of such products. The articles state that this has already happened in the EU, Norway, India and a number of other countries. which is something I wasn't aware of.
www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-17/greens-call-for -australia-to-follow-eu-ban-on-animal-testing/ 5326200
www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/animal-test ing-labor-tries-to-take-cruelty-out-of-cosmeti cs-20140816-103idl.html

(note: the second article has photos of guinea pigs with shaved patches that some may find upsetting)
8 years ago
Sorceress:
As far as milk-producing cows and Western farmers: if you've ever been to a dairy farm, ethically, the conditions are not pretty. Calves are taken from their mothers immediately and placed in dark stalls by themselves. They do not see the light of day for many months. They are isolated. They are eventually fed through bars where food is thrown on the ground. They stick their snouts through the bars to reach the grain. At approximately four months they are allowed outside. The mothers, for their milk, are kept in a constant state of false pregnancy for lactation, to produce milk. This is a dairy cow.
Last summer, I was at a photo shoot at a farm that included dairy cows. One other photographer , along with myself, was a vegan. After seeing and having the conditions explained to all of us, the two of us felt compelled to walk out. We could not bear to look at the one-month-old calves isolated in darkness. To drink cow's milk is a decision that one makes perhaps without realizing the conditions of the animal. There are alternatives, such as hemp, soy, and rice milk instead that can be purchased where no animal is used in under such conditions.
It's a matter of one's personal belief system. Although I wonder if one saw these animals how it would affect them. Especially the newborns in the dark for many months and knowing their future fates.

Interesting point of view. I am lacto-vegetarian, as most part of my people and since in India we consider the cow as a holy animal, conditions regarding milk and dairies production are quite different from what you described.
It is really disgusting to realize that all effort and distress we have to treat them carefully, including the smell of manure in the streets and the traffic difficulties associated are simply... thrown out! Can you imagine their suffering?
I am stunned and I need to reflect a lot about it!

In a second moment I'll think about the perfume testing in animals, it is too much now!
8 years ago
From what I understand, L'oreal acquired companies who do not test on animals remain as such, and the dilemma that lies therein is whether you punish the parent company by withdrawing support of non-testing brands, or support the brands under the parent company to show the parent company you want ethical brands.
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